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Monday, December 26, 2011

some might say

1) maybe a whole lot of us when we were young were called 'kurang ajar' when we argue with adults. instead of considering or arguing the points, most people argue on why we argue.

2) and i believe this is deeply entrenched in the society that it is reflected everywhere this, "saya yang menurut perintah" attitude. in a bigger context it describes malaysian politics as well. most of the time when we argue, we will be reminded on how much we are 'terhutang budi' to these political parties. the recent "aku nak ludah muka kau" video was a new low of how mature we are as a society.

3) politicians rarely debate on points and most politicians are seemingly lost whenever they talk. for instance, i saw once on TV3, a politician who claimed that he has evidence that some people in the opposition have lost faith with the party's survival and leadership and then another politician who claimed that he believed some people from the incumbent political party have jumped ship. never once both politicians use numbers to illustrate this, how many, what is the ratio, what is the percentage change. 3 people out of 3 million do not describe what is going on and most of the time this is concealed by sophistry - a mere spin.

4) most politicians may use religion as a tool. because they know that most people won't argue with religion. this isn't true, scholars argue all the time. once i was at an international gathering of islamic bankers and scholars of islamic finance. they started arguing as soon as the conference commenced at 8.00 am in the morning. politicians aren't scholars, even if they are does not mean that they can't be argued. however, what you need to do here is argue systematically. to argue systematically would require you to have facts and figures. and academics is the fastest way to earn it.

5) which is why, college students who are active in politics but fail to excel in academics are almost the same with our current generation of politicians on average. a guy once told me, "biarlah, diorang ni bakal jadi pemimpin nanti..." - well my answer to that is, if they want to lead me then they better be smarter than me. without knowledge, politics is just... shit.

6) so, when you have a kid, please do not call him 'kurang ajar' or 'disrespectful' just because he argues with you. i know i won't.

fin

20 comments:

Zinedine Zaiddin said...

Especially for point number 4, banyak perbezaan argument antara politician dan scholars (scholars ni translasi nya apa eh? aku lupa. hahaha). Scholars argue based on their knowledge, experience..walaupun akan ada segelintir yang berdebat menggunakan emosi. biasa la tu, manusia.

Tapi bila sebut argument dan religion, apa yang aku nampak orang kita tend to just follow bila mana2 orang yang di"tabal"kan sebagai ulama, ustaz2, imam2 berbicara. sehinggakan bila ada yang bagi pendapat bertentangan dgn ulama2 diorang tadi, maka di tuduh sbg "tak hormat ulama" dan sbgnya.

Err ini dah menyimpang jauh ni. BTW nice post. Aku suka entri macam ni. Keep it up!



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redza minhat said...

scholars tu ulama'. terimas bro. :)

LJ Nurhadi Zainol said...

Taksub antara kriteria utama yang ada dalam kalangan masyarakat kita.

Kurang keterbukaan dan takut berubah menjadi akar kepada asas perjuangan mereka. Terlalu selesa membuatkan mereka terbuai-buai.

Baik dari pihak Pakatan mahupun pihak Barisan

Harap-harap anak muda yang matang dan berfikiran dan berpandangan lebih jauh akan terus timbul dan memacu negara ini ke arah yang lebih baik.

Keep on writing. Love reading it.

Miss Fireflies said...

yup.my parents always call me kurang ajar even when i argue with them about what course should i take in uia.and i was like.......ya know.pfftt!!

good entry by the way.can i share it on fb?:)

redza minhat said...

terimas nurhadi! (noticed you on twitter) and misfire... share at will. terimas again.

Azizah Alwi said...

A very good post indeed.Im loving it.Terimas kerana menjadi seorang yang memahami.My parents always call me kurang ajar if there is something that i like to object.Takkan selamanya saya nak ikut saya yang menurut perintah punya attitude right.

So as a collage student saya rasa saya patut sahut cabaran anda pada point number 5.Keep it up bro. =)

liyanna said...

may I share it too, mr redza? thank you :)

Eliza said...

I see you've been harping on this 'college students who are active but fail to excel in academics...' everywhere (on your Facebook, Twitter, blog).

Is this based on your assumption that most college students who are active politically do not excel academically?

Cos I know plenty of student leaders who are capable of juggling between politics and studies and yet get into Dean's list every semester. Then what? Should they not be active in politics too? Should we let them graduate first and until they've become smarter than you then only they should get involved in politics?

Also, what's your stand on AUKU?

Azmiah Jamil said...

somehow, the attention of education in malaysia are less in humanity. sciences, the transforming forces was not together as a foundation of curriculum thinking with humanities, the means for moral uplift. so, how can universities nurture and inspirit the humanities? how to help and understand those 'kurang ajar' generation?

redza minhat said...

"Is this based on your assumption that most college students who are active politically do not excel academically?"

Eliza, i think your deduction is way off here. If they could excel in studies then they should do whatever they want, not just politics, everything else, why limit yourself? but pay your dues where it is due - that was my point.

i too know students who were active in politics back in my time in college. some of them are still in school today trying to graduate as we speak - so what is the outcome of that? your argument here is similar to what i wrote earlier about politicians.

politics without knowledge is useless. its in the nature of man to enter politics, in friendship, in business dealing, in parenting, everything. so without knowledge, what good can it bring to the society? air liur je tak cukup sir.

lastly, i don't believe in banning. so you must know what my stand is about auku.

redza minhat said...

and eliza, with regards to graduating first, yes i believe so they should in an ideal case. unless if you can prove to me that it is beneficial otherwise.

Eliza said...

"If they could excel in studies then they should do whatever they want, not just politics, everything else, why limit yourself?"

So, if they excel in studies and choose to be in politics, I don't see how is that limiting themselves. It is their choice, after all.

And mind you, a third-year Law student who is also a student leader in his university is probably more knowledgeable and well-versed in a variety of things compared to our current politicians.

Point is, if you're already in university, you are already with some knowledge and in fact, I believe university is a good place to expose our students to politics. We're not talking about a full-fledged career as a politician but a mild start to what is it all about.

I find it funny how the Constitution makes it compulsory for youths of the age 21 to be registered voters and yet wouldn't allow these youths to be involved in politics at university level. Doesn't this mean the youths who are restricted from joining politics are also the same youths who will be indirectly involved in reaching a political decision that will inevitably change the fate of the Nation?

We are always told to 'Undilah dengan bijak' or 'Undilah Pemimpin Yang Berkaliber' but for many young, inexperienced voters, how will they know what is 'Undilah dengan bijak'? Or the criteria that would deem a candidate as one of caliber?

So, to answer your question on how it is beneficial otherwise, politics is a right of the people that cannot be denied. Those who want our students to be involved in politics at this level has one great aim: To mould a generation that is politically literate. Politics in university is never politics without knowledge. In fact, it's thriving with knowledge and vibrant ideologies and ideas. Whatever politics you saw in your student days, I'm pretty sure a lot has changed compared to what we are experiencing now.

Our mahasiswa are getting braver by the day and these voices shouldn't be silenced by draconian laws or traditional views. Should they flunk their studies but still end up as a politician who is stupider than you are, you always have the power to NOT vote for them. There.

redza minhat said...

"If they could excel in studies then they should do whatever they want, not just politics, everything else, why limit yourself?"

So, if they excel in studies and choose to be in politics, I don't see how is that limiting themselves. It is their choice, after all.

- errr... huh? did i say they are limiting themselves. i said, if they do good in academics, do whatever they want, everything, politics included, why limit yourself to just politics.

you keep misquoting me. i feel like im talking to a politician.

redza minhat said...

"So, to answer your question on how it is beneficial otherwise, politics is a right of the people that cannot be denied."

You know my stand on AUKU, I do not believe in banning so do not twist my points. again, arguing like a politician, sophistry sophistry.

redza minhat said...

"Those who want our students to be involved in politics at this level has one great aim: To mould a generation that is politically literate."

a generation that is politically literate. by whose definition? the political parties? which side? opposition? incumbent? vague argument. i hope you are not implying that those students who weren't active in politics are now illiterate and aren't capable of forming opinions. because if you are, i am glad to put you back to school. and by the way, i was a slacker in school but here i am arguing about stuff with you. you see, politics come naturally. you don't need to BE in politics to BE politically literate.

redza minhat said...

"I find it funny how the Constitution makes it compulsory for youths of the age 21 to be registered voters and yet wouldn't allow these youths to be involved in politics at university level. Doesn't this mean the youths who are restricted from joining politics are also the same youths who will be indirectly involved in reaching a political decision that will inevitably change the fate of the Nation?"

irrelevant. thank you for sharing but i never did say anything about banning politics for students. read my entry again.

redza minhat said...

"We are always told to 'Undilah dengan bijak' or 'Undilah Pemimpin Yang Berkaliber' but for many young, inexperienced voters, how will they know what is 'Undilah dengan bijak'? Or the criteria that would deem a candidate as one of caliber?"

so the solution here for younger generation, students in particular is to be active in politics? so everyone in college SHOULD be active in politics then to be able to vote wisely?

here's a scenario for you to ponder. USM circa 2001-2003, the VC imposed a strict 2.5 CGPA minimum for students who want to be active in politics. back then almost all students who were active in politics had to resign from their positions due to the minimum requirement. now why did this happen? 2.5 CGPA is not too difficult, it is somewhat equivalent to a C grade and if this isn't achievable due to politics - it is such a shame for these students to be so bangang. they are better off fixing their grades before thinking about fixing the society or thinking about 'mengundi dengan bijak.'

and define 'undilah dengan bijak'. by whose definition are you ascribing it to? which one is more sustainable, voting the candidate or voting the policy. you tell me. you see... to vote wisely does not require one to BE in politics, actively or mildly. it has no correlation at all. your statement above contains so many logical fallacies, one being appeal to emotion which is again typically used by politicians.

redza minhat said...

"Our mahasiswa are getting braver by the day and these voices shouldn't be silenced by draconian laws or traditional views. Should they flunk their studies but still end up as a politician who is stupider than you are, you always have the power to NOT vote for them. There."

again. straw man argument - an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of my position. you are implying that i am siding with the draconian laws and traditional views while the entry and my other points have nothing to do with that. and by the way, NO, if they were going to flunk studies because of politics then perhaps they should quit school because there are a lot more deserving and more needy youths out there. that is more important than this silly little thing called politics.

now get this, this is my point, it's pretty simple, as a student, between academics and being active in politics, prioritise. if you are already doing it in proper order then you should continue. if you are to excel in both academics and politics then perhaps you should consider a career as a politician because that's what the society needs - QUALITY not just bravado.

being JUST brave and loud without wit, is what i already have in the current batch of politicians. i am better off paying tax money for other purposes rather than creating more of the same.

end.

nizam arifin said...

Thinking the same here..We would definitely want people with brains to lead us..

Being brave doesn't always means smart..About the scenario nowadays,well, i'm not jumping into any assumptions here but it seems the motif behind all of this are still unclear..

I went to a forum last month, one of the panel really amazes me by saying that students should fight for their rights by them selves and not siding any political parties. During the old days, they fought their rights as students without the help of any political parties. Because they are too powerful, AUKU was formed.

Here's the link to the forum. The panelist were Rafizi Ramli, Datuk Saifuddin Abdullah, Hishamuddin Rais and Fahmi Reza (Listen to this kid)

http://mobtv.my/talkshow-496.html

petite girl said...

Dear Redza,

as a student myself I agree that we the students should finish our studies first before involving in politics. However, it's hard to say that especially to the non-science students. They seem to be involved way too deep. Not stereotyping but even my friends agreed with the idea. When they know they are taking economics for example (bonded by scholars,the courses are selected), they automatically be absorbed into the world. I have read articles online saying the situation now in Malaysia but to be honest, even overseas, a few underground groups of political parties are active. And like what you stated, no point of arguing with them because usually they will only talk.not many points to be taken.

I'm analising. Because I way to busy to be involved.But it does not mean I'm ignorant.

but in general, our culture lah. Every time I balik kampung, some makciks pakciks will dishonour 'orang puteh'. Say that this. Politic also. Every time I am about to open my mouth, my mom will give me a glare. Signalling no. Why? Because afraid of having gelarang 'kurang hajar'. I do anyway.Why? O well orang bandar sikit semua dah digelar kurang hajar.

And how are we going to change that?